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De Profundis Second Edition
Publisher: Cubicle 7 Entertainment Ltd.
by Rusty B.
Date Added: 06/28/2020 16:58:57

Over the last 40 years, I've bought a lot of RPGs & supplements; none has triggered near instant regret the way this one has.

I like exchanging letters with friends, and I like writing up my group's Call of Cthulhu sessions; it sounds like this game ought to be my kind of thing! However, I can't tell, because I can't handle the rulebook.

Bottom of page 10: "It's also time for you to learn what De Profundis is all about." OK! Great! I was hoping to find that on page 1 or 2, but good, let's go!

Page 14: "But for now it's more important to explain the game's concept, as well as its details and my own thoughts about it, as precisely as possible." OK! That's what I've been waiting for!

Page 15: "Ah! The play report from your last session of Call of Cthulhu was excellent. You got me all but carried off to Damian's room and sitting there with you, then off with the group into the depths of the ocean in that small bathysphere. Top quality CoC !" None of that means anything to me, and after pages & pages of this, I'm now too frustrated to care whether there's a game hidden in here. Dude, I'm out.

[1 of 5 Stars!]
De Profundis Second Edition
Publisher: Cubicle 7 Entertainment Ltd.
by Alexander L. [Featured Reviewer]
Date Added: 10/11/2011 06:40:23

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Overview This is De Profundis, a role-playing game where the players write more than they roll dice, where they think more than they talk, and where they imagine more than is really there… or is all that is imagined really there and more? The book was written and conceived by Polish game designer Michal Oracz, whom board game players might know from his popular Neuroshima Hex!, a quick, tactical war game. De Profundis is loosely set in the mythos of H.P. Lovecraft, an ever-popular source of setting material for a number of games, especially in the last ten years. The reason I say “loosely” is because the game is more about imitating the feel of Lovecraft’s stories, and not about using the specific terminology of the Lovecraft universe.

The Lovecraft mythos has seen some love in recent days and has received a lot of different treatments. The gaming community has seen everything from the grandiose Arkham Horror and Mansions of Madness, to the cheesy Cthulhu themes slapped onto basic dice and card games. Then of course, there is the grandpappy of Lovecraft RPGs: Call of Cthulhu. Well, this is totally different from all of them.

Gameplay and Feel De Profundis is a game about communicating your imagined experiences. Whether you do this with a large group of people (called a Society or Network), one other person, or just yourself, the goal is to create a narrative through a series of writings. Before you start writing, you have to choose who you are going to be. You can simply be yourself in the current time, or you can be a person in the 1920s, or you can be a specific character from one of Lovecraft’s stories.

Later in the book there is some equivocating as to whether this is a hard and fast rule, and it seems that you are free to be anyone in any time period as long as you are experiencing strange occurrences in the style of Lovecraft’s stories. This brings up one of my only complaints with this book: that there are multiple writers for the various “supplemental” chapters, and some of what they write seems to slightly expand upon (or maybe even contradict a little) what was written by Michal Oracz in the introduction and three “books” (sections) that comprise the main concepts of the game.

For example, in the “On Conventions” section of the first supplemental chapter it reads: “The possibilities for role-playing by letter-writing are practically limitless, defined only by the nature and character of the Society writing them rather than by any specific rules in De Profundis itself”. After reading 52 pages of what the game was about and how it was played, here the book is saying the specific rules don’t really matter! Well, being the open-minded role-player that I am, this does not bother me all that much, except for the general contradiction itself. However, it makes me think twice about the cohesiveness of the game if part of the core book is telling me that it is fine to disregard the rules and do what I want.

Well, what are those specific rules that I can ignore if I want to? Um…well you have to write letters and…basically be interesting and creepy. Heck, there really aren’t any specific rules in De Profundis aside from guidelines like time (a person in 1925 can’t be writing letters to a person in 1887 for example…unless you decide to ignore those guidelines), the whole game is about creating an atmosphere, a feel. This is key to getting into the game, and possibly one aspect that will make some people not call it a game at all. Instead of accomplishing a specific goal that is set by the game or the GM (did I tell you this is primarily a GM-less game? It is.), the goal is more abstract. How do I write a good narrative? Well, that is one of the things that the book does, it gives you some hints on how to create your story in a Lovecraftian way; it instructs you to hint instead of tell, to feel instead of know. I should also note that you don’t even have to write letters if you don’t want to, you can just take pictures or record yourself speaking. I’ll just push these guidelines out a little further…

Anyway, back to characters. Ideally, players in a Society (a group of people playing De Profundis) will choose their identity and begin writing to each other as those identities. For instance, if I choose to be Dr. Fernsbury, a small-town physician in 1927, I will expect letters addressed to me with “Dear Dr. Fernsbury” or some such greeting. I will expect the letter to be written with a dip pen, fountain pen or a typewriter, and on paper that bears a little resemblance to paper technology back then. I will write letters to my confidante (fellow player), and if their identity is a Madame Du Feuilles I will address my letters accordingly. You see, the world created in the letter exchange is the game world, and the game world is special in that while it is shaped by each player individually, it is supposed to be shared universally. As an illustration, imagine a small group of people sitting around a table holding up signs saying what they are feeling, or Tarot cards, or masks, but not having much say in what other people decide to reveal. In this sense the game is about creating a shared experience that is not necessarily cooperative, but shared nonetheless.

Players in a Society will also choose a convention, or a specific theme and style of the game you wish to run. An example convention might be a Victorian era theme and aristocratic style, another might be current-day Illuminati theme and a formal political style, yet another might be a London street urchin theme with a barely-literate-pauper style. It’s all up to you and the Society in which you play in.

Now, here is another guideline that is emphasized in the book: if you want to play a specialist in a particular field of knowledge like, say, a physician in 1927, you should be knowledgeable about that subject. Logical, eh? You should write about how you treated a patient with abnormal reflexes and a pallid complexion who happened to have eerily long canines, and in real life take yourself to the library or Wikipedia and research basic medical terms and language so that your letters can be as authentic as possible. Are you going to play a map-maker from the Colonial era? Better study your 18th century maps. How about a Civil War soldier who deserted and got lost in the woods? Find a regiment and an army to belong to, as well as a town to be from. These kinds of ideas are guidelines I can get behind. These are the guidelines that you ignore to the detriment of your game!

Other General Thoughts I don’t want to give too much away about what the De Profundis book says to the reader and the great ideas that are contained inside, but I will talk a little more about what the book as a whole is like and some of my thoughts on it.

As someone who collects RPGs and often wonders what changes the authors make from one edition to the next, I was of course curious to see if I could find out what the first edition of De Profundis contained. Unfortunately I was unable to find a copy easily and instead could only surmise based on the page count information I could dig up, which put the first edition (in Polish, this may have been a very early edition) at 28 pages, while the second edition is 110 pages. Wow! If that information is correct, that is quite a jump in content. If there are any first edition owners reading this, I can only say that it might be worth your while to pick up the second edition, you might be pleasantly surprised. Of course, the original edition seems to have been written in the late 90’s and was published in 2001, so it’s not surprising that several years later a substantial update would be in order.

Another aspect of the book that I really enjoy is the style it is written in. The three main sections of the book (and one of the supplemental sections) are written like letters. I love that. The author begins each “chapter” like a new letter in a series of letters, which takes away the normally dry core rulebook format and instead immerses you in a hot bath of theme. The author demonstrates the feel of the game right in the rules.

There are about 49 pages of those letter-chapters that comprise the main thrust of the game, and then the following sections are updates or supplemental materials presented in a more conventional style (except for the section on e-mails). These additional sections are excellent in the way that they expand upon and clarify the intentions of the game (with the few exceptions of small contradictions that I noted earlier). There are sections on Society play, where groups of people form what is essentially a campaign group that plays De Profundis; a section on an example campaign with commentary; a section of using De Profundis with Call of Cthulhu or other RPGs; and even more to help get your games going.

One more thing about actually playing De Profundis: it’s harder than it sounds. I couldn’t find anyone to play with me on short notice so I tried writing some solo material, and capturing the subtlety and creepiness required to make it interesting was really hard. Much like writing a good story, so much of the challenge is how to make it interesting.

Conclusion This book made me very excited about role-playing, and I like the possibilities that spring up in my mind when I read this book. The concept of psychodrama, not as a psychological therapy tool but as a sort of self-imposed, paranoia-inducing state of mind, is an idea that really appeals to me as a gamer and as a writer. You might also think of it as attuning your perceptions to Lovecraft and his idea of horror, putting yourself in a Lovecraft story. I want to sit down on a rainy evening with a lit candle and scratch out a letter about strange faces in the windows after reading this book, and that is cool.

As far as playing the game, I worry that an exchange of letters would just be a few people writing to each other about weird stuff without any provocation. What I mean is, I don’t see how a game could carry on if players are just trying to write about their creepy experiences without asking the other players questions relating to their experiences. Basically, I worry about selfish playing. With a game so dependent upon individual effort, I can see some folks writing their narrative continuously without engaging the narratives of other players and I would implore any of you to consider that if and when you play the game.

If you like role-playing, getting a little creeped out, and especially if you like the feel of H.P. Lovecraft’s stories and want to take a crack at recreating that, definitely check out De Profundis, you will not be disappointed.

[5 of 5 Stars!]
De Profundis Second Edition
Publisher: Cubicle 7 Entertainment Ltd.
by Matthew F. [Verified Purchaser]
Date Added: 08/26/2011 17:40:12

The original was good and the second edition has expanded on that with some more detail along the lines of structuring your game and using different genres or settings. I highly recommend at least trying this out if you want to take roleplaying back to the original style back when people would sit around storytelling. It's not for everyone I'm sure but, there are many people that wouldn't usually play any roleplaying games but will get involved in this kind of thing. It's more roleplay than game. Also you don't have one person being a GM while others play and you can play anytime you like without having to all be around a table in the same place.

[5 of 5 Stars!]
De Profundis Second Edition
Publisher: Cubicle 7 Entertainment Ltd.
by Christopher H. [Featured Reviewer]
Date Added: 01/17/2011 19:03:13

If you want to explore the potential strangeness of the world around you, influenced by the weird fiction of H.P. Lovecraft and similar writers but unconstrained by rules, campaign settings, dice, or character sheets, you might enjoy giving De Profundis a try. Role-playing games are sometimes described as "let's pretend with rules." It's probably better to think of De Profundis as offering a "social contract for shared storytelling." I have to admit that the experience doesn't really appeal to me very strongly; I'm too much of a mechanics wonk. However, I enjoyed reading the book. It's written in a very engaging style that actually mimics the experience of playing De Profundis, and it successfully draws the reader into a fictional world where the game itself is a character. If you find traditional role-playing games too "dicey" but you're not really interested in the costumes, props, and constraints of a LARP—and you sense that the weird hides just behind the veil of the normal—take a look at De Profundis. Maybe psychodrama is for you.

[4 of 5 Stars!]
De Profundis Second Edition
Publisher: Cubicle 7 Entertainment Ltd.
by Lowell F. [Verified Purchaser]
Date Added: 10/29/2010 12:07:47


I know it has been some time and I'm a little loathe to contact you, but now I know I have to warn you. I didn't take you perhaps as seriously as I should have the first time, but now it has returned.

De Profundis.

I remember reading about it years ago when it first came out. Translated from the Polish someone said, a game unlike any other. Then within an hour of my curiosity being piqued you sent me an email. Would I like to try playing a new game you'd found, De Profundis? At the time I took it for an amusing coincidence, but now I see that it wasn't that. The book had plans. Our abortive attempt to play it, with only a few letters exchanged between us- that was the damnable thing laying a seed inside our heads. Perhaps it could not fully bring itself forth into our world yet. Perhaps the stars were not right.

I fear that they are in alignment now. For now there comes a second edition of this game-- more extensive and more dangerous.

At this point I'm certain that you will be shaking your head. The last time I spoke with you about De Profundis you looked at me as if I was mad. You claimed you'd never played such a game, never even heard of it. It had made you forget, but I remembered to an unknown purpose. Please believe me that you have played-- perhaps in my describing it again, a recollection might stir.

De Profundis is a role-playing game, though saying that may be stretching the definition. Certainly there are those who would not recognize it as such: it lacks a gamemaster (though perhaps there might be an organizing force...), a conventional play structure or even a resolution system. Instead it is closer to the shared narrative of something like Baron Munchausen or Fiasco. You may dismiss that out of hand and perhaps if you do so you might be the better for it. But let us assume that you are intrigued and wondering what kind of a 'game' this might actually be. Maybe you've started to recall our earlier encounter with it. Or perhaps not.

It styles itself as a psychodrama, an odd term. In that it suggests that the players, the participants as the book terms them, will not necessarily explore a plot-driven story. Instead they will carry out the exploration and reflective dissection of the character they decide to take on. That exploration comes through the exchange of letters, missives, notes and perhaps even ephemera. In this it resembles the style of Stoker's Dracula, that novel built from correspondence, annotations and fictitious news clippings. For a more modern version one has to look to something like Griffin & Sabine or even House of Leaves. Of course we argued over that latter book before, whether it exists as a true book or dread or simply executes a literary magic trick. But the real precursor, the spiritual and explicit grandfather of De Profundis is the work of H.P. Lovecraft.

In that sense, it is another Call of Cthulhu game, but very different. It stakes itself on discovery, rather than investigation. As a game format, it could feed on any genre-- but somehow this is more appropriate. And I suspect De Profundis has its own ideas for why the Lovecraftian Mythos must be at the core. One can play oneself, select an old Call of Cthulhu character, or even chose someone from one of the original HPL stories. That selection merely sets the scene and the background; no one has a character sheet as such. What's important is the persona they inhabit in the play of this psychodrama.

The 'rules', such as they are, provide guidelines and suggestions for how to carry out and support the mood of such play. Some might dismiss the game as simply a fancified forum thread: an exchange of letters form the narrative. It could be that, I suspect, but the text provides keys for other paths. Methods for establishing timelessness, for marking play, for the physical nature of the game carried out in actual parchment, action versus experience...all of these things. Though it may seem like a passive game, there exists a passive and an active position in the play it discusses. You might be a subject without even being aware of it. The language of the book itself draws the reader in. As I warned you...I did warn you, didn't I?...De Profundis plays with you even as it reveals its secrets.

The first half of De Profundis lays out these things in hints and suggestions-- beginning with an extensive abstract presentation of the concepts. Two smaller sections follow on how to visualize the secret world necessary for this writing. It becomes almost a relief when the tone of the dreadful thing shifts halfway through- finally becoming more meta, like a conventional rulesbook. Beware, though, even that's a trick to lull you in with the excellent discussion and make you forget the brain worm it strives to embed in your consciousness. It provides mechanical tools which some may grasp as a reference point. It may give them a sense of familiarity...but on closer examination those tables are a straw-man, a scarecrow pointing down a dark road. Wait...

I'm sorry, I thought I heard something, but it was only the rustling of the pages. I purchased this game on pdf, but somehow everywhere I look, out of the corner of my eye I see it. It seems to have bled into my thinking about other games. I must put my copy of The Armitage Files down in the basement where it will be secure.

Where was I? Yes-- De Profundis wants to be larger, wants to be used. The Lovecraft connections reveals its true heritage, but it could easily infect other genres: fantasy, the mythic, historical...all could fall victim. I suggests that such a play could be used to complement an on-going tabletop game- to provide another perspective. There-- you see how it tries to extend its tendrils? The vivid examples of play at the end of the book stay with me even now-- creating more ideas for bringing De Profundis into the world. I even suggests how one might use this in an electronic medium without losing the atmosphere...reaching a broader audience.

Which is what it wants...I see that now.

The most important thing is that we must not allow reviews of this game to be posted on the internet-- good, bad or indifferent, they can only spark some dark thoughts at the back of readers' minds. They'll be clicking through some easy shopping site and it will pop up in a sidebar, the Adsense of Azathoth as it were. They'll buy it, download it and then they'll read it. The game itself compels me to give it a positive review-- to speak of its potency and how it can get into the consciousness. I must resist, I must not review it...

(4 Out of Five Stars) Thumbs Up!

[4 of 5 Stars!]
De Profundis Second Edition
Publisher: Cubicle 7 Entertainment Ltd.
by paul p. [Verified Purchaser]
Date Added: 10/01/2010 10:21:17

I feel that the other review does this game a disservice, so I'd like to point prospective buyers to several positive reviews of the first edition (which I own in hardcopy) from Like Trail of Cthulhu, De Profundis presents yet another different take on Lovecraftian/horror roleplaying that's just as valid as the standby Call of Cthulhu. If you own the first edition, the second edition is a worthwhile buy for the essays and appendices full of suggestions for play, as well as an all-important PDF copy for travel reading. The game can also be used in conjunction with settings such as Unknown Armies, Conspiracy X, and the like.

It isn't a sit-around-the-table-and-play game, but it's perfect for solitary gamers and those of us who find ourselves pressed for time to play.

I also think it would appeal to readers of, say, Caitlin R. Kiernan and Neil Gaiman as well as gamers in general.

and, in all fairness, another uncomplimentary review:

[5 of 5 Stars!]
De Profundis Second Edition
Publisher: Cubicle 7 Entertainment Ltd.
by Todd M. [Verified Purchaser]
Date Added: 09/30/2010 20:18:13

Uhhh. Ok. I write. Alot. Don't really see a game here. Didn't really get anything out of this at all. Perhaps a recommend to the pseudo-neveu, look down the nose at those who 'just don't get it.' crowd. Otherwise steer clear. (you know who you are, and you don't have to tell.)

The 'good'. Very attractive product overall. Would have been angry vs. irritated if I had spent more than 9$. You got me. Good one. Past performance earns a pass. The bad. Just write a book. Let us know it is a book. Let us choose to buy it or not as such. Get to the point. Reading through 100+ pages to find out this is 'pen pals and pentagrams' is 'displeasing'

[1 of 5 Stars!]
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